criminal fine and penalty and you put them in jail, you tell them they are sorry for their families, you beg with the court not to incarcerate them. what happens? you spend time in jail and you pay the fine. but you are fault a corporate client. you are an individual. >>shepard: the money they made for profit was $2.5 billion in the last quarter. the fine is $600 million less than that. the people who are sitting on this side of the aisle on this side of the border there, and are seeing what this corruption has done and what it has done to the nation over time we are supposed to say well, they made them pay $1.9 billion and no one is going to jail? i cannot imagine too many are happy about this. >>guest: i don't think so. the in edge for corporate america is commit your crime and as one put it, better to seek forgiveness than ask permission. that is what they are doing, seeking forgiveness after the fact. again, if this was an individual, they would be sitting in front of a federal district court judge probably incarcerated awaiting sentencing. >>shepard: but, instead, their stock is up toda